Webcast Chat Transcript

EducationBridges Webcast#8 - Chat Transcript
March 15, 2006

20:03:13 DougSymington: Hi Joyce
20:03:44 dave-on-air: hi dee
20:04:01 DougSymington: Hi Dee
20:05:11 deea: HI
20:06:26 Mercedes: right
20:07:02 Harold_Jarche: :(
20:09:00 DougSymington: I'd suggest something along the lines of "the Gould Project" as a tribute for our efforts here
20:09:43 sharonbetts: I came in late - hello to everyone. I am sorry to join on the low note. I agree with the tribute.
20:10:59 DougSymington: Hi Sharon
20:11:10 joycevalenza: pbwiki added some new ed templates this week
20:11:36 JeffLebow: what's included in the ed templates?
20:11:39 sharonbetts: I will check that out -- I use pmwiki for my prof. pages, but am considering switching.
20:11:55 joycevalenza: i am not sure. must go back. i think some lessony type things
20:11:57 Matt_C: the pbwiki templates looked more geared for university level classes
20:12:06 joycevalenza: some image page templates
20:12:31 sharonbetts: That happens alot -- University level items. I think that getting resources for K-12 is really needed.
20:12:44 Matt_C: Agreed
20:12:54 joycevalenza: wikis ultimately are unpretty
20:13:07 Harold_Jarche: please send URL's as I'm confused between all the projects - which wiki?
20:13:11 joycevalenza: can we make them more engaging?
20:13:18 joycevalenza: okay. just a minute
20:13:29 sharonbetts: But user friendly -- I think they can be made engaging.
20:13:53 Matt_C: http://pbwiki.com/
20:13:59 dave-on-air: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
20:14:13 Mercedes: i guess these templates are more for college and university level. can we change design in wikis?
20:14:24 Harold_Jarche: thx dave :)
20:15:01 sharonbetts: design change somewhat - http://www.sharonbetts.org
20:15:55 joycevalenza: http://templates.pbwiki.com
20:16:45 sharonbetts: I thought we were looking at this as a class project idea.
20:17:03 sharonbetts: I wasn't expecting an actual textbook project.
20:18:02 sharonbetts: Meant an actual textbook product!
20:19:30 dave-on-air: How do we tie content to validated learning objectives?
20:20:26 Harold_Jarche: how about a content-agnostic curriculum?
20:20:39 sharonbetts: Explain that one, Harold.
20:20:59 Harold_Jarche: long explanation - http://www.jarche.com/?p=723
20:21:00 JeffLebow: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Educationbridges_wik...
20:21:06 Harold_Jarche: short explanation coming
20:21:24 Mercedes: Remember that this links to navigation, in my opinion it should be standard and as crystal-clear as possible.
20:22:02 Harold_Jarche: how about concentrating on processes and having several content paths available to practise the cognitive skills necessary for the learning outcome?
20:22:10 DougSymington: how do we ensure the validity of content
20:22:25 sharonbetts: Aha Harold -- I understand very interesting. Must think about it.
20:23:05 Harold_Jarche: can't copy, will have to re-type ...
20:23:11 Mercedes: Content is always the field of content experts, they come together under the leadership of a possible editor who will validate that all content posted answers standards of whatever project we are dealing with.
20:24:26 Harold_Jarche: having trouble logging in to wiki - may take a few minutes
20:24:36 sharonbetts: I agree Mercedes -- who are our content editors?
20:25:37 Mercedes: Content editors would be professionals of the field the textbook related to, and chosen by consent or designated by the people in charge of the project.
20:25:43 dave-on-air: tonight... not so worried about content editors....
20:25:49 dave-on-air: more worried about struture
20:26:21 DougSymington: Navigation and content are inextricably linked in a wiki
20:26:42 dave-on-air: that's true
20:26:43 sharonbetts: Wiki seems to be more of a web - very standard structure kind of takes away from the creativity and final product.
20:26:56 dave-on-air: true
20:27:17 dave-on-air: but, for instance, how do we tie to learning objectives for states...
20:27:27 DougSymington: which also obviously informs pedagogical use
20:29:41 sharonbetts: This is not standard publication. Think of a book compared to a digital storytelling - a WIKI to a text - similar but different.
20:30:44 sharonbetts: Joyce seems to be discussing SOP for posting?
20:31:17 Harold_Jarche: added my comments to the Discussion tab of the Community Portal
20:31:23 dave-on-air: thanks
20:31:26 dave-on-air: i noticed
20:34:53 DougSymington: what media should or should not be used--are there preferred formats for video if it is to be included
20:35:07 DougSymington: how will media be posted, if and when it's developed
20:35:33 Matt_C: What type of media?
20:35:47 DougSymington: graphics, audio, video or combo thereof
20:36:01 DougSymington: in addition to "plain" text
20:36:17 JeffLebow: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/South_African_Curriculum
20:37:32 JeffLebow: # 1 COMPUTER APPLICATIONS TECHNOLOGY # 2 DEFINITION # 3 PURPOSE # 4 SCOPE # 5 EDUCATIONAL AND CAREER LINKS # 6 LEARNING OUTCOMES
20:37:55 Mercedes: very good point, joyce
20:38:14 sharonbetts: I like that idea -
20:40:47 sharonbetts: Extensions of the content.
20:41:21 JeffLebow: Cooking Language Learning Current Events Environmental Science Solar System Media Literacy
20:42:15 JeffLebow: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Modules
20:42:18 dave-on-air: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Name_of_Participants
20:43:29 sharonbetts: Don't you just love technology
20:43:58 Matt_C: Should we assign subrooms for various modules?
20:44:46 dave-on-air: we are editing the module page
20:44:53 dave-on-air: with chatroom locations
20:44:55 dave-on-air: please check
20:44:59 dave-on-air: for chatrooms
20:45:03 dave-on-air: at the modules page
20:45:05 joycevalenza: two are good
20:45:49 joycevalenza: yes!
20:45:53 joycevalenza: what???
20:45:53 Harold_Jarche: I'm in the enviro section already
20:46:16 dave-on-air: enviro is chatroom 4
20:46:18 dave-on-air: 4
20:46:20 dave-on-air: 3
20:46:20 joycevalenza: why?
20:46:23 joycevalenza: yes.
20:46:23 dave-on-air: chatroom 3
20:46:55 [Room3] DougSymington: Hey Harold
20:46:59 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: HI
20:47:19 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: I've added a link, and that's it
20:47:29 [Room1] sharonbetts: I understand the concept, but am confused on what is expected of us. Are we trying to do a design without content?
20:47:38 [Room3] DougSymington: I was here last week with Joyce re "vernal pools" but haven't been back....
20:47:57 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: gotta check those out
20:48:05 [Room3] DougSymington: format and structure seems to be the first order of business
20:48:16 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: good point
20:48:38 [Room3] joycevalenza: go room 3!
20:48:40 [Room1] Mercedes: perhaps we can try out some templates for some aspects we consider will be present in any wikibook
20:48:57 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: honestly thing you'd need some audio to discuss this - as in a separate skype chat
20:49:18 [Room3] DougSymington: I agree, chat's a not so close 2nd
20:49:23 [Room3] joycevalenza: we can skype each other
20:49:37 [Room1] sharonbetts: Good idea - can we brainstorm these aspects? then have someone place them on a "template" page.
20:49:44 [Room3] joycevalenza: but we can make things easier for teachers to use
20:49:44 [Room2] dave-on-air: oh.
20:49:49 [Room2] dave-on-air: chatroom two
20:49:56 [Room2] dave-on-air: its' so boring alright
20:50:05 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: trying to listen to Dave, type in chat and examine wiki - info overload for a slow typist
20:50:16 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: I'm "jarche" on skype
20:50:16 [Room1] Mercedes: ok, there could be an introduction
20:50:19 [Room3] DougSymington: Hi Joe
20:50:28 [Room3] ignatj: Hi Doug
20:50:28 [Room1] Mercedes: there could be a list of standards adressed in the module as second
20:50:39 [Room1] Matt_C: types of media?
20:50:43 [Room1] sharonbetts: there could be learning extensions
20:50:47 [Room3] DougSymington: are you going to try and keep the stream running during Skype, or no?
20:51:04 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: have to stop stream I assume
20:51:25 [Room1] Mercedes: the next part could be a large chunk of possibilities depending on the subject, and perhaps the most flexible?
20:51:41 [Room1] sharonbetts: is anyone recording or posting these in the wiki?
20:51:55 [Room3] joycevalenza: okay.
20:52:08 [Room3] DougSymington: I'll be back in a sec
20:52:12 [Room1] sharonbetts: we need author information / contact
20:52:14 [Room1] Mercedes: i dont think so sharon
20:52:22 [Room1] Mercedes: that could be next
20:52:33 [Room1] sharonbetts: now that should put me to sleep -
20:52:43 [Room3] joycevalenza: okay. so, any ideas?
20:52:57 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: cognitive overload
20:53:01 [Room1] Mercedes: Then we could go into an extension section, for projects, links to blogs, etc
20:53:25 [Room3] joycevalenza: :-)
20:53:29 [Room3] DougSymington: callto://dougsymington
20:53:40 [Room1] Mercedes: another aspect we should not forget is evaluation and its different possibilities
20:54:08 [Room1] sharonbetts: I'll try to post some of these and they can be ordered and cleaned up later.
20:54:11 [Room1] Mercedes: There could be a part devoted to further links
20:54:23 [Room3] dave-on-air: oh.
20:54:35 [Room3] dave-on-air: callto://dougsymington
20:54:42 [Room1] Mercedes: and suggested bibliography
20:55:19 [Room3] DougSymington: joyce give harold you skype id
20:56:21 [Room1] sharonbetts: Take a look at it: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Media_LitTemplate
20:56:57 [Room1] sharonbetts: If we then had examplars for each area it could serve as a map for authors. More??
20:57:00 [Room1] Mercedes: could we put learning extensions after content?
20:57:51 [Room1] Matt_C: What would go under content?
20:58:01 [Room1] sharonbetts: Of course - no order there, just a list of the posted ideas
20:58:21 [Room1] Mercedes: The content that has been validated as reliable and according to the standards described above.
20:58:26 [Room3] JeffLebow: Who from this room would like to skype in to share how things are going in the trenches?
20:58:34 [Room3] DougSymington: nasty
20:58:45 [Room3] Harold_Jarche: I'm way down in the trenches man - can't see light
21:00:32 [Room1] sharonbetts: Uh Oh here comes American Idol.
21:01:09 [Room1] sharonbetts: I think this is a start - should we join the Main Room again?
21:02:14 Matt_C: I think we left early
21:04:55 Mercedes: sorry guys, cant connec6t
21:05:08 sharonbetts: I would like to hear what the sub groups did.
21:05:24 Mercedes: show them what our group did, sharon
21:05:45 sharonbetts: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Media_Literacy
21:05:59 Mercedes: :)
21:06:02 sharonbetts: Above is our ideas of structure headings
21:07:19 sharonbetts: I agree it is really difficult without audio.
21:11:29 [Room3] DougSymington: speakin o media literacy
21:12:09 [Room3] DougSymington: we all did, skype took over the settings on my machine
21:12:42 [Room3] DougSymington: go to the main room for chat
21:12:58 sharonbetts: subversive technologies ; agnostic curriculum WIKIs
21:13:21 joycevalenza: hey chris!!!!
21:13:26 ChrisLehmann: hello!
21:13:30 DougSymington: Hi Chris
21:13:33 joycevalenza: i am so glad you came
21:13:41 ChrisLehmann: thanks. :)
21:13:56 DougSymington: accountability is key, as Harold indicates
21:14:09 joycevalenza: i would like to see profiles
21:14:42 sharonbetts: these are good ideas and directed toward the valid content question.
21:14:50 Mercedes: :D
21:14:56 Matt_C: Can't we track changes as part of the history tab
21:15:16 DougSymington: we can but seeing your name up there does make a difference, I think
21:15:19 joycevalenza: not really
21:15:23 DougSymington: no re profiles
21:15:35 sharonbetts: I think I might add these to the Media Literacy template page.
21:15:36 DougSymington: participants page
21:15:36 joycevalenza: i wonder if teachers wouldn't want to tell us who they are
21:15:48 joycevalenza: entry ticket
21:15:48 DougSymington: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Name_of_Participants
21:16:11 joycevalenza: a separate page--voluntary--teachers would do it/
21:16:23 joycevalenza: like the editorial contributions in any huge effort
21:16:41 joycevalenza: i like harold!
21:16:54 DougSymington: you were both agreeing with me anyway, I hope not ;)
21:17:16 joycevalenza: a creed for educational wiki builders
21:17:24 joycevalenza: it was doug!
21:18:02 Matt_C: Should we attach our module under participant profile? Some ownership
21:18:05 joycevalenza: chris, does anyone know you here?
21:18:35 ChrisLehmann: joyce -- I don't think so.
21:18:45 dave-on-air: hi chris
21:18:48 dave-on-air: dave - chris
21:18:50 dave-on-air: chris- dave
21:18:53 ChrisLehmann: hi Dave.
21:18:53 dave-on-air: now we know each other
21:19:07 DougSymington: we need a "getting connected in Skype" module, from our experience tonight ;)
21:19:11 dave-on-air: got a skype account? :)
21:19:23 sharonbetts: I'm with you on opensource. And I agree with you on "control" of WIKIs.
21:19:27 ChrisLehmann: I do.
21:19:36 dave-on-air: you wanna chatsky
21:19:49 ChrisLehmann: Can't right now... on the phone while I read. :)
21:19:54 dave-on-air: ha
21:20:34 joycevalenza: sure
21:22:15 DougSymington: wikis can't be controlled if they're going to work. Unless it's a user-moderated forum ala Slashdot.
21:22:45 DougSymington: once one is a registered member of the "production group" is the only stipulation, I think
21:23:08 DougSymington: the trick comes in not being too prescriptive in how contributors are chosen
21:23:38 joycevalenza: perhaps we need guidelines and a disclaimeer
21:23:51 joycevalenza: wikipedia is filled with copyright violations
21:24:05 joycevalenza: just take a piece of text and phrase search it
21:24:14 DougSymington: that's why I think it's important to produce content and license it under Creative Commons
21:24:39 DougSymington: which goes back to guidelines/posting policy
21:24:42 joycevalenza: why not use a torah approach
21:24:46 sharonbetts: It depends on what the final product has for a purpose.
21:24:55 joycevalenza: commentary?
21:25:01 Matt_C: torah approach?
21:25:01 DougSymington: peer validation is key, Harold
21:25:02 joycevalenza: when there is disagreement
21:25:05 sharonbetts: Oh boy form agnostic to torah.
21:25:09 DougSymington: lol
21:25:20 dave-on-air: gita?
21:25:25 joycevalenza: i think the school board thing is off the table
21:25:30 sharonbetts: I agree
21:25:53 joycevalenza: we are not going to get school board acceptance
21:26:01 joycevalenza: let's go for teacher acceptance
21:26:08 DougSymington: Changing school boards == teaching dinosaurs to dance :)
21:26:17 joycevalenza: love the image, doug!
21:26:41 sharonbetts: Dino can dance -- schoolboards can change
21:26:58 sharonbetts: the students will lead the way, teachers will follow
21:26:59 dave-on-air: until they get hit by comets
21:27:04 DougSymington: dino can dance, now there's a tag line
21:27:04 joycevalenza: the acceptance will happen on a grassroots level
21:27:25 dave-on-air: at that point the dancing thing gets more difficult
21:27:26 joycevalenza: remember Alice's Restaurant?
21:27:34 dave-on-air: you can get anyting you want
21:27:38 sharonbetts: telling our ages here
21:27:39 joycevalenza: it becomes a movement
21:27:44 joycevalenza: (yup)
21:27:55 Harold_Jarche: except Alice of course ;-)
21:27:58 joycevalenza: right!
21:28:07 joycevalenza: yes, harold!
21:28:08 DougSymington: lead the way
21:28:14 joycevalenza: you can get. .
21:28:45 sharonbetts: very interesting -
21:28:46 Mercedes: whattt?
21:28:48 joycevalenza: very deep
21:28:58 sharonbetts: deep in garbage - but I get it.
21:29:01 joycevalenza: sounds like arlo guthrie
21:29:06 DougSymington: landfill philosophy
21:29:23 joycevalenza: we get it!!!
21:29:39 joycevalenza: arlo guthrie
21:30:08 joycevalenza: it's about movements
21:30:14 joycevalenza: !!!!
21:30:37 sharonbetts: Again it has been fun and I think we are on the right track. This isn't easy - it's a new paradigm.
21:30:42 DougSymington: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie
21:30:48 sharonbetts: Thanks Doug
21:31:00 Mercedes: i liked the idea of getting an independent school, prove the concept, get it published and then get people and boards to follow.
21:31:20 joycevalenza: oh no! not homework
21:32:01 Harold_Jarche: extra homework for Joyce ;-)
21:32:09 sharonbetts: Media Lit group. If anyone has time - add to descriptions of the structure in the WIKI.
21:32:29 sharonbetts: And we are blogging where????
21:32:36 joycevalenza: chris. your school could be the model!
21:32:42 DougSymington: Thanks to all and special thanks to Harold and Joyce for the Skype sidebar, that was fun, once we got connected ;)
21:32:50 Harold_Jarche: blog all over
21:32:54 joycevalenza: you could really help create
21:33:08 sharonbetts: Gotcha -
21:33:32 JeffLebow: http://www.educationbridges.org/mediawiki/index.php/Media_LitTemplate
21:35:05 joycevalenza: thanks dave and jeff
21:37:49 joycevalenza: you sound beautifu;
21:37:50 joycevalenza: l
21:38:35 joycevalenza: :-)
21:38:42 joycevalenza: too bad!
21:39:11 sharonbetts: GottaGo - thanks jeff and dave
21:40:51 joycevalenza: must go, have night fever
21:41:15 dave-on-air: :)
21:42:37 Mercedes: bye people, got to go.
21:42:43 Mercedes: see you next wednesday
21:42:45 dave-on-air: bye
21:42:51 JeffLebow: bye mercedes
21:42:53 dave-on-air: see you next wednesday
21:42:56 Alex.Ragone: but you watch what people watch and then others choose the goos stuff, right?
21:44:06 Alex.Ragone: 5 minutes ago --- just got the kids to sleep. Good to hear you all.
21:45:21 Matt_C: good night
21:46:06 dave-on-air: hi again alex
21:46:13 joycevalenza: if you are a writer
21:46:15 dave-on-air: we need to get you on the skype thingy
21:46:17 dave-on-air: sometime
21:46:19 joycevalenza: it makes a difference
21:46:36 dave-on-air: joyce... i was taken to task by a librarian over metadata today
21:46:47 dave-on-air: she kept saying "we librarians"
21:46:52 dave-on-air: are you really a cult
21:46:54 dave-on-air: ?
21:47:00 joycevalenza: cool! who doesn't love metadata?
21:47:00 Alex.Ragone: hi everyone.
21:47:11 joycevalenza: ooops. i read that wrong
21:47:11 dave-on-air: hi alex
21:47:26 dave-on-air: no. she was right.
21:47:39 joycevalenza: we'll talk about that
21:48:04 joycevalenza: metadata rocks, dave!
21:48:15 DougSymington: metadata as tagging
21:48:27 joycevalenza: you should meet my friend, Chris
21:48:39 joycevalenza: maybe tomorrow
21:48:55 Alex.Ragone: This copyright conversation is great --- lessig.org
21:49:17 joycevalenza: that's hot!
21:49:54 joycevalenza: i love a man who respects librarians.
21:50:19 joycevalenza: yes!
21:50:23 dave-on-air: i like their glasses
21:50:32 joycevalenza: not geeky!
21:51:02 JeffLebow: cool geeky
21:51:33 joycevalenza: hotter than xml? be still my heart!
21:51:50 Harold_Jarche: RDF
21:52:26 joycevalenza: how do we get the mainstream into the conversation?
21:52:51 joycevalenza: halfway
21:52:56 Harold_Jarche: http://semantical.org/
21:52:57 joycevalenza: i am in awe
21:53:18 joycevalenza: granular?
21:53:33 JeffLebow: The size of the units of code under consideration in some context. The term generally refers to the level of detail at which code is considered, e.g. "You can specify the granularity for this profiling tool". The most common computing use is in parallelism where "fine grain parallelism" means individual tasks are relatively small in terms of code size and execution time, "coarse grain" is the opposite. You talk about the "granularity" of the parallelism. The smaller the granularity, the greater the potential for parallelism and hence speed-up but the greater the overheads of synchronisation and communication.
21:54:22 joycevalenza: that is an impressive comment
21:54:44 JeffLebow: I'm a geek too - I can copy and paste from dictionary.com pretty quickly
21:55:01 joycevalenza: don't spoil the auraa
21:55:02 joycevalenza: a
21:57:47 JeffLebow: Chris or Alex, would you like to join in?
21:58:02 JeffLebow: I'm not ignoring Joyce, she already rejected me again
21:58:30 Alex.Ragone: Cleaning up the kitchen -- would love to, but not tonight. Maybe tomorrow?
21:58:47 JeffLebow: We'll look forward to it
22:00:09 joycevalenza: i think about that stuff all the time. you can isolate several factors in those experiences
22:01:01 dave-on-air: which factors
22:02:22 ChrisLehmann: Chris is finally back.
22:02:40 ChrisLehmann: is the Skypecast still going on?
22:02:46 JeffLebow: yes
22:02:46 joycevalenza: the webcast
22:02:54 ChrisLehmann: how do I get there?
22:02:59 JeffLebow: skype 'worldbridges'
22:03:24 JeffLebow: What is your skype ID Chris?
22:03:37 ChrisLehmann: Hey Alex -- thanks for the kind words you put on your blog a while back..
22:03:49 JeffLebow: Here we come
22:04:59 ChrisLehmann: Dave -- I'm sorry... turn off what?
22:06:52 Alex.Ragone: No problem, Chris. Love the blogosphere.
22:08:27 joycevalenza: maybe chris could help us with a prototype?
22:09:27 joycevalenza: chris only speaks wisdom
22:10:11 joycevalenza: i think Chris may help us test our theories
22:12:22 joycevalenza: huh?
22:13:01 joycevalenza: we don't need money
22:14:10 joycevalenza: what is the money for?
22:17:30 joycevalenza: me too
22:21:08 joycevalenza: night everyone!!!
22:21:51 Alex.Ragone: see you tomorrow

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